Schinnerer and Schumm Cousins

Last fall Paul asked members of the “I’m a Schinnerer” Facebook group if someone would show him and his wife around the Schumm area while they were here from California, visiting family in Columbus, Ohio. While he was “in the area” he wanted to see Schumm and the farm where his great-great-grandfather Martin Schinnerer lived before selling everything and moving to California around the turn of the century.

So Joe and I had the privilege of showing Schinnerer (and Schumm) descendant Paul Scott and his wife Lynne around the area in October.

When I hear of someone whose ancestors hailed from the Schumm area and who has names like Schinnerer and Schumm in their family tree, I figure there is a very high probability that we are related. Actually, probably related in more than one way.

Karen, Paul, & Lynne Scott at Zion Lutheran Cemetery, Schumm. (2015 photo by Karen)

Karen with Paul & Lynne Scott at Zion Lutheran Cemetery, Schumm. (2015 photo by Karen)

But before they arrived I had a little homework to do. How were Paul and I related and where did Martin Schinnerer once live? Whether Paul liked it or not, I was going to bore him with some family history.

Just as I figured, Paul and I are related through both the Schumms and the Schinnerers. In several ways.

On the Schumm side Paul is my third and fourth cousin once removed, with George Ludwig and Barbara (Pflueger) Schumm as our common ancestors. On the Schinnerer side he is my fourth cousin, with Georg Michael and Anna Barbara (Zeller) Schinnerer as our common ancestors.

Paul’s great-great-grandfather Martin Schinnerer was the brother of my great-great-grandfather Friederick Schinnerer. Martin was born in the Kingdom of Bavaria in 1834 and immigrated to America in 1852. He likely followed his brother Friederick, who had already settled in the area. Martin married Maria Schumm in 1860. She was the daughter of Ludwig and Barbara (Pflüger) Schumm. (Ludwig and Barbara were my great-great and great-great-great-grandparents, depending on which of their descendants you look at, either my grandmother or my grandfather.) Maria (Schumm) Schinnerer died in 1870 and Martin married Maria’s sister Rosina Schumm in 1871. Paul descends from Martin and Rosina. Martin and Rosina and some of their family moved to California about 1903 and remained there the rest of their lives. Martin died in Los Angeles in 1930.

As I prepared for Paul and Lynne’s visit I looked at the 1886 Willshire Township plat map and was very surprised at what I saw. I couldn’t believe where Martin Schinnerer lived before moving to California. I knew right away that I was going to be able to show Paul more than just the land that Martin once owned.

Martin Schinnerer purchased the land from Christian Airman in 1854, the northeast quarter of Section 28 in Willshire Township. His farm was next door to the farm my Schumm grandparents ended up owning and living on years later.

On 19 October 1903, before moving to California, Martin Schinnerer sold the 160 acre farm to John Scaer.

John Scaer (1865-1940), my great-grandfather.

John Scaer (1865-1940), my great-grandfather.

This is where the truly amazing part comes in and where things get really interesting.

John Scaer was my great-grandfather, the father of my maternal grandmother Hilda (Scaer) Schumm. After their marriage John and Elizabeth (Schinnerer) Scaer lived near Monroeville, Indiana, where my grandmother Hilda was born in 1895. John Scaer purchased the farm, with a frame house on it, from Paul’s great-great-grandfather Martin Schinnerer and the Scaers moved from Monroeville to the farm between Willshire and Schumm about 1903.

But it gets better.

When John Scaer purchased the property from Martin Schinnerer in 1903 there was a frame house on the farm, the home that Martin Schinnerer and his family would have lived in before moving to California. Today a brick house is situated on the property, situated where the frame house stood. That is the house we drove by and showed Paul on his visit to Schumm. I just learned this past week that the frame home was not destroyed but that brick was put around it and a living room was added. According to this person, the frame house is still there, although the outside looks very different. John Scaer added the brick sometime around 1915, give or take a couple years.

And I just happen to have a photo of that frame house. Yes, I was able to give Paul a photo of the home his great-great-grandfather Martin Schinnerer lived in before moving to California in about 1903!

The photo below shows the old frame house as it looked on the John Scaer farm about 1904. Standing in front of the house are John’s children, Willie, Elsie, Hilda, and Edna Scaer.

John Scaer home east of Willshire, c1904. Willie, Elsie, Hilda, Edna Scaer.

John Scaer home east of Willshire, c1904. Willie, Elsie, Hilda, Edna Scaer.

Former home of John & Lizzie (Schinnerer) Scare, Van Wert County, Ohio, built c1914 (2001 photo)

Former home of John & Lizzie (Schinnerer) Scare, Willshire Eastern Road (2001 photo by Karen)

On our sight-seeing tour east of Wilshire last October we viewed the homes and farms between Willshire and Schumm, drove through both villages, and toured Zion Lutheran Church and Zion’s Cemetery. Paul and Lynne were very impressed with Zion’s beautiful church and commented that it was much larger than they had envisioned.

Zion Lutheran Church, Schumm (2015 photo by Karen)

Zion Lutheran Church, Schumm (2015 photo by Karen)

We looked at several tombstones of our common ancestors in the cemetery. Visiting Zion Schumm’s cemetery is always a very humbling experience.

Karen and Paul by John Georg Schumm's tombstone. (2015 photo by Karen)

Karen and Paul by John Georg Schumm’s tombstone. (2015 photo by Karen)

It was a beautiful autumn day and we all enjoyed the beautiful countryside and colorful trees.

Zion Lutheran Cemetery, Schumm. (2015 photo by Karen)

Zion Lutheran Cemetery, Schumm. (2015 photo by Karen)

It was great to meet my third/fourth cousin Paul and his wife and to show them around our area and share a little of the history of our common ancestry.

Thank You!

Thank you for all the condolence messages sent to Karen’s Chatt after the death of my mother. They are comforting and are greatly appreciated.

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Florence (Schumm) Miller (1929-2016)

This is not the post originally planned for today. I will post that one next week.

Instead, today’s post is a photo tribute to my mother, Florence Elizabeth (Schumm) Miller, who passed away from a sudden illness yesterday.

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Tombstone Tuesday–Glenn E. & Mary A. (Cummins) Fogle

Glenn E. & Mary A. (Cummins) Fogle, Kessler Cemetery, Mercer County, Ohio. (2015 photo by Karen)

Glenn E. & Mary A. (Cummins) Fogle, Kessler Cemetery, Mercer County, Ohio. (2015 photo by Karen)

This is the tombstone of Glenn Eugene and Mary Agnes (Cummins) Fogle, located in row 6 of Kessler Cemetery, Mercer County, Ohio. The marker is inscribed:

FOGLE
Glenn E.
July 22, 1917
Oct 31, 2004

Mary A.
April 3, 1918
Aug 25, 2007

Glenn Eugene Fogle was born 22 July 1917 in Jefferson Township, Adams County, Indiana, the son of Labon O. and Rosa (Berger) Fogle. Glenn was baptized 30 September 1917 at Zion Chatt, with Jacob Hiller, Mrs. Martha Hiller, and Clara Linn serving as his sponsors.

Glenn’s family once attended Zion Lutheran Chatt but were not mentioned in Zion Chatt’s records after about 1922.

Glenn Fogle married Mary Agnes Cummins on 7 May 1940 in Jay County, Indiana, married by Rev. F.J. McAuliffe. [1]

Mary was the daughter of James B. and Estella Eleanor (Gigandet) Cummins, born 3 April 1918 in Jay County, Indiana. At the time of their marriage Glenn worked for the Equity Company. Mary was not employed but her father James worked for the Farm Bureau Corporation. Mary’s mother Estella was deceased in 1940. [1]

Glenn was a WWII Army veteran who served in the 707th Tank Battalion and was in Europe at the end of the Battle of the Bulge. He was with the unit in Nuremberg on VE Day and returned home in late 1945. After the war Glenn was in the retail business, starting with Morris 5 & 10 and then with G.C. Murphy Company, where he retired in 1975. He then became a partner in a convenience store in Kinderhook, Mich. and later managed an apartment complex until 1985.

Glenn and Mary had nine children:
Joyce A., married Dennis Page
Mary Joan, married David Roby
James Fogle
David Alan, married Peggy Louise Hamm
Michael, married Jill
Thomas, married JoAnn
Anthony, married Linda
Joseph
Stephan, married Grace

Glenn Fogle died 31 October 2004 in Denton County, Texas. Below is his detailed obituary:

Glenn E. Fogle, of Denton, Texas, quietly passed away on the afternoon of Oct. 31, 2004, surrounded by his children and those he loved. He is survived by his wife of 64 years, Mary A. Cummins, nine children, daughters, Joyce A. and husband, Dennis Page, of Denton, Mary Joan and husband, David Roby, of Denton; sons, James Fogle, David and wife, Peggy Fogle, Michael and wife, Jill Fogle, all of Denton, Thomas and wife, JoAnn Fogle, of Charlotte, Mich., Anthony and wife, Linda Fogle, of Tucson, Ariz., Joseph Fogle of Grand Prairie, Stephan and wife, Grace Fogle, of San Antonio; sisters, Elvera Theurer of Portland, Ind., Esther Homan of Fort Recovery, Ohio; 15 grandchildren; and 22 grandchildren; along with more relatives and in-laws than we can count.

Glenn was born in Adams County, Ind., on July 17, 1917. He attended high school in Portland, Ind., where he met his sweetheart and future wife of 64 years, Mary A. Cummins. They were married on May 7, 1940. Glenn was in the retail business starting with the “Morris 5 & 10” and then with the G.C. Murphy Company. With four children at home, but insistent that he do his part, he enlisted in the U.S. Army and was assigned to the 707th Tank Battalion in 1944 and arrived in Europe for the last of the Battle of the Bulge. He was with the unit in Nuremberg on VE Day and returned home in late 1945. He would frequently say that the most important decoration he earned during the war was the “Ruptured Duck,” presented upon his discharge, because it symbolized what was most important to him: he was returning home to his beloved wife and children.

The following years brought more children, grandchildren and great grandchildren. Glenn and Mary made life-long friends in every town to which they were transferred and were very active in church and community activities.

Glenn retired from the G.C. Murphy Company in 1975 to join a partnership to operate a convenience store in Kinderhook, Mich. In 1979, they moved to Texas to get warm, managed a large apartment complex and then finally retired to the country in 1985.

Glenn will be remembered as a quiet family man with a dry, direct sense of humor. He loved his family and was truly interested in the lives of each of his children, grandchildren and great-grandchildren. Glenn was active in the Knights of Columbus, as an acolyte with the Catholic Church, the Veterans of Foreign Wars and the American Legion. Glenn had a warm smile and was always ready for a joke or two. His enduring legacy is captured by the phrase, “the most important thing a father can do for his children, is to love their mother.” That he did, always.

Rosary will be said Tuesday, Nov. 2, at 6:30 p.m. at DeBerry Funeral Directors with visitation to follow at 7 p.m. A funeral Mass will be 10 a.m. Wednesday, Nov. 3, at Immaculate Conception Catholic Church with Msgr. Charles King officiating. Burial will be at Kessler Cemetery in Chattanooga, Ohio.

Memorials may be made to Immaculate Conception Catholic Church Building Fund…American Cancer Society Fort Worth Metro…or American Heart Association Texas Affiliate Inc. DeBerry Funeral Directors is in charge of arrangements. [2]

After Glenn’s Funeral Mass in Denton his body was brought to Baird-Freeman Funeral Home in Portland, Indiana, where visitation was held on Friday evening. The next day friends and family gathered at the funeral home and the procession went to Kessler Cemetery. Father Marty Sandhage officiated at the funeral service. [3]

Mary (Cummins) Fogle died 25 August 2007 in Denton, Texas.

Mary’s obituary:

Mary Agnes (Cummins) Fogle was called home to the Lord at sunset on Aug. 25, 2007. If there are angels on earth, she was one. She is reunited with her high school sweetheart and husband of 64 years, Glenn, who passed away Oct. 31, 2004. She is survived by nine children, daughters, Joyce and husband Dennis Page of Denton, Mary Joan and husband David Roby, of Denton; sons, James Fogle, David and wife Peggy Fogle, Michael and wife, Jill Fogle, all of Denton, Thomas and wife JoAnne Fogle of Charlotte, Mich., Anthony and wife, Linda Fogle of Tucson, Ariz., Joseph Fogle of Grand Prairie, Stephan and wife Grace Fogle of San Antonio; brother Art Cummins of Columbia City, Ind.; 15 grandchildren; 23 great grandchildren; and one great-great grandchild.

Mary was a woman of uncommon strength, indomitable spirit and extraordinary determination. No stranger to adversity, she lost her own mother at 5 and helped her dad and six brothers and sisters on the family farm while going to school. At the age of 26, with four children at home, she watched as her husband enlisted in the Army to do his part in WWII. She supported his decision and more than held down the fort until he returned. Even in the darkest hours of illness or difficulties, she remained optimistic and never lost her sense of humor. Mom always wanted to know the truth of things, no matter what. When told of her final illness, she said, “Well, that’s what you get when you get older … or just too good looking.”

She was a favorite relative in our extended family and among our friends. No matter how many mouths she was already feeding, there was always room for one more, especially if they came armed with a quick wit and a sense of humor. More often than not she would not only do the cooking but also linger at the table to share in the fun. Her smile was infectious. Her laugh brightened the room. Just having her there made the gathering so much more special. She was quick to hug you but also quick to let you know when you were out of line. She loved you without reservation, but she also expected you to stand up and be counted: to do more than your share and to serve as an example of goodness, politeness and mercy. All things that exemplified her life.

Deeply religious, her faith was the guiding light of her life. She was very active in church societies and only missed Mass when illness intervened.

Mom loved all things small and beautiful: newborn babies, baby goats, flowers, birds and the smell of new cut hay. We will miss her terribly, but are forever grateful to God for having given us the perfect Mother, Mother-in-law, Grandmother, Great Grandmother, Great-Great Grandmother, Sister, Cousin, Aunt and friend.

Memorials may be made to Denton Relay for Life – American Cancer Society, Immaculate Conception Catholic Church Building Fund, or charity of choice.

The family will be at DeBerry Funeral Directors Tuesday night from 6 to 7:30 p.m. for visitation with a Rosary service beginning at 7:30 p.m. A Mass of Christian Burial will be held at 10 a.m. Wednesday at the Immaculate Conception Catholic Church with Father James Flynn officiating.

There will be a visitation Friday at the Baird-Freeman Funeral Home in Portland Indiana with burial Saturday at the Kessler Cemetery in Chattanooga, Ohio. [4]

After Mary’s Burial Mass in Texas on Wednesday her body was brought back to Baird-Freeman Funeral Home in Portland, where visitation was held on Friday evening and she was buried the next day. [5]

Glenn and Mary are buried next to Glenn’s parents, and near some of their Hiller ancestors.

 

[1] “Indiana Marriages, 1811-2007,” database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org : accessed 9 Jan 2016), Glenn Eugene Fogle and Mary Agnes Cummins, 7 May 1940; citing Jay County Marriages, Vol. 15, p.75; from FHL microfilm 2169118.

[2] Denton Record-Chronicle, Denton Texas, 2 Nov 2004; digital images by subscription, GenealogyBank.com (http://www.genealogybank.com : accessed 9 Jan 2016), Glenn E. Fogle.

[3] The Commercial Review, Portland, IN, 4 Nov 2004; digital images by subscription, GenealogyBank.com (http://www.genealogybank.com : accessed 9 Jan 2016), Glenn Fogle.

[4] “Denton Record-Chronicle,” Texas, 28 August 2007; digital images by subscription, GenealogyBank.com (http://www.genealogybank.com : accessed 9 Jan 2016), Mary Agnes (Cummins) Fogle.

[5] The Commercial Review, Portland, IN, 29 Aug 2007; digital images by subscription, GenealogyBank.com (http://www.genealogybank.com : accessed 9 Jan 2016), Mary Agnes (Cummins) Fogle.

Karen’s Chatt 2015 Wrap-Up

Here we are, one week into the New Year, but before I move on I want to summarize the year 2015 for Karen’s Chatt.

Karen’s Chatt began its 5th year in 2015 with the news that a story about my great-grandfather, immigrant Jacob Mueller, was published in the Saarbrücker Zeitung, a German newspaper. Thanks to Kerstin Rech who wrote “Von Bierbach nach Chattanooga,” the story of Jacob after he left Bierbach and settled in Mercer County, Ohio, in 1871.

"From Bierbach to Chattanooga." "The Bierbach emigrants Jacob Mueller (sitting) in 1900 with his large family. In 1871 he went to the USA, where he was a farmer in Ohio."

“From Bierbach to Chattanooga.” “The Bierbach emigrants Jacob Mueller (sitting) in 1900 with his large family. In 1871 he went to the USA, where he was a farmer in Ohio.”

During the year I had the opportunity to meet a couple distant relatives.

In July I met up with Suzan Whiteman Pinciotti. Suzan traveled from Texas to attend the Whiteman reunion in another northern state and I lunched with her and her sister in Berne, Indiana.

Karen & Susan, July 2015

Karen & Suzan (Whiteman) Pinciotti, July 2015.

In October Joe and I met up with Schinnerer/Schumm cousin Paul Valentich-Scott and his wife Lynne, who were visiting from California. Paul wanted to see the Schumm area, where his great-great-grandparents Martin and Rosine Maria (Schumm) Schinnerer lived in the early 1900s, before moving to California. We took them on a tour of Zion Lutheran Church at Schumm, Zion Schumm’s Cemetery, the towns of Schumm and Willshire, and showed them the farm Martin Schinnerer once owned. I also had a couple more surprises for Paul. More about that next week…

Karen & Paul VS, Oct 2015.

Karen & Paul Valentich-Scott, Oct 2015.

I started a series of biographies of Zion’s ministers and showed photos of Zion Chatt’s 2015 cemetery repair work. Zion Chatt celebrated its 160th anniversary in 2015 but the church building itself is 100 years old this year (2016). Zion’s small double-hung basement windows, likely the original windows, were replaced in 2015 and Joe and I placed one of those old windows on our fireplace mantle. This is how one of Zion’s old basement windows looked on our fireplace this past Christmas.

2015 Christmas

2015 Christmas, using Zion’s window. (2015 photo by Karen)

I spent a lot of time on the 4-part Carrie (Edgington) Eichhorn Friedell mystery series. Although I learned the identity of the unreadable broken stone next to Carrie’s resting place there are still unanswered questions about Carrie and her family. In the future I hope to learn more answers.

In December I posted two unhappy photos of myself as a child and our granddaughter Chloe with Santa. Since that time I found another family Santa photo, a photo of our son Jeff with Santa, taken about 1983. Being scared of Santa must be a female thing or else it skips a generation, because Jeff was certainly not scared of Santa. I don’t know what Santa was telling Jeff, but he seems to be listening very carefully to Santa’s every word.

Jeff talking to Santa, c1983.

Jeff talking to Santa, c1983.

What were people reading and looking for on Karen’s Chatt? Here are some interesting statistics about the website in 2015:

There were 30,532 page views in 2015. Wow! Below are the most popular page views in 2015, although some of the posts were posted before 2015.

“About DAR” (static page; 1,336 views)

“Haunted Mercer County?” (Oct 2013; 459 views)

“Livin’ the Dream in Chatt” (Oct 2013; 415 views)

“Bollenbacher Grocery, Chattanooga, Ohio” (May 2015: 251 views)

“Tombstone Tuesday—Jacob Miller” (March 2011; 232 views)

“Family Pedigree” (static page; 223 views)

“Remembering the Blizzard of 1978” (Jan 2013; 220 views)

“Willshire Bearcats Basketball, 1955 & 1956 (Jan 2015; 216 views)

“Chattanooga Mausoleum Interments” (Oct 2015; 200 views)

“More 1910 Plat Maps of Blackcreek Township” (March 2015; 150 views)

“Roads are Beautiful in Chattanooga, Ohio” (May 2015; 146 views)

“Von Bierbach nach Chattanooga” (Jan 2015; 146 views)

Before I close today, I leave you to ponder what some people may been searching for on-line. Below are some interesting search terms that brought individuals to Karen’s Chatt in 2015:

Oriole feeder

Hear the pennies dropping

Deep fried pizza Ohio

Best shave Chattanooga

Where to get a great haircut in Chattanooga

What jewelry can a new DAR member wear (plus lots of inquiries about the cost of DAR membership and dues)

Porch swing Chattanooga

Zion Orlando Oklahoma cemetery

Denver omnibus

Truth or Consequences with Bob Barker

Chattanooga local antique doll buggies

Kil-so-quah Native American

Karen Foley 5782 porch swing place hoschton ga

Inside mausoleums

Gourd nativity

Gary Kessler from Willshire Ohio, did he go to college

Flour on tombstones

Why was very large Zion Lutheran Church built in the small village of Schumm Ohio

What did hixon tn use to look like in 1978

 

Hmm…I wonder if they ever found what they were really searching for??